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No.969  >>1002, >>1335
Esteemed Ikouchan members:

Do you partake in instant messaging?
I find it too stressful so I don't and actively avoid it.


By the same token, I acknowledge that instant messaging effectively replaced any other form of interaction.
Whether it be in person or posting online.

It is crazy to think how much dopamine hits people are getting on the day-to-day if they are in a few group chats.
Though I think a lot of people also just lurk IM channels and they eventually die.
That's what happened to IRC and the few group chats I used to partake in.

¨ No.1002  >>1009
>>969
>I find it too stressful so I don't and actively avoid it.
Me too! I can't wrap my head around how to enjoy it
¨ No.1009  >>1058
>>1002
I think the worst part is that there's no clear beginning or end.
It makes you wonder why one endures the wait between text messages.
It was very painful dealing with the suspense until I just gave up and ghosted everyone.
人間関係リセットをやりました。。。

¨ No.1058  >>1065
>>1009
>I think the worst part is that there's no clear beginning or end.
>It was very painful dealing with the suspense
I have accounts on a raft of social media platforms in order to see news feeds and other people's posts but I usually make my accounts private or just don't post anything myself so that I wouldn't risk getting ensnared in the suspense.
Small online communities that require accounts or usernames terrify me even more.
¨ No.1061  >>1062, >>1065
Instant messaging is too stressful. Having a "friends list" makes me feel like I'm tied to whoever I have added. It's too personal. I don't like my online status being displayed. I don't like my posts being tied to a name. I've switched to only using imageboards for online communication.
¨ No.1062
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>>1061
You are right!
¨ No.1065  >>1096
>>1058
>in order to see news feeds and other people's posts but I usually make my accounts private or just don't post anything myself so that I wouldn't risk getting ensnared in the suspense
I don't even follow anyone on X for example.
Do you find following certain people beneficial to you?
I can see how it may further immerse you into an interest perhaps.
I keep going back and forth on tuning in at all, because news can be painful in more underhanded ways (waiting for things which never happen)
>>1061
Social media is underhanded as it takes advantage of those obligatory states of ours (which helped our survival in prior times)
The worst part is... they aren't honest at all.
It's more like mutual notifiers rather than friends.
Imageboards are honest in nature: we're all passing through, and it doesn't matter who we are, rather what we want to talk about.
This is the actual way of the Internet.
Adding the concepts of friend lists and other things misleads people into thinking there's a closeness that isn't there.

¨ No.1096  >>1103
>>1065
>Do you find following certain people beneficial to you?
I use X to improve my foreign language skills because X is like a random sentence generator.

Otherwise I use social media to feed my curiosity about foreign affairs and cultures.
But I know I should read books to get deeper insights rather than social media.
¨ No.1103  >>1121
>>1096
>should read books to get deeper insights rather than social media
Do you have any books you've been eyeing to read?
¨ No.1121  >>1150
>>1103
>Do you have any books you've been eyeing to read?
Too many books attract me and I can't focus on one book, or even one genre
I subscribe to Kindle Unlimited but read little to nothing so far.
Recently I realized illustrated encyclopedias are also available on Kindle Unlimited and have been browsing them through.
I'll push myself to read more from now on! ranpha001
¨ No.1150  >>1181
>>1121
I think keeping a journal of what you're reading helps.

Recently I started a blog attached to my real name and I've decided to log some of what I've read there, I suppose.

Unrelated:
A comment I came across said, "consider the Internet as the town square."
Do you think one could be ostracized by what books they choose to read?

¨ No.1181  >>1184
>>1150
>Recently I started a blog attached to my real name
Wow adventurous.
I'm way too risk-aversive and I can't help but want as few things on the web as possible to be associated with my real name.

>A comment I came across said, "consider the Internet as the town square."
Is the point of the metaphor that we should be careful of our online behaviors as if we are at a town square irl?
If so, I agree.

>Do you think one could be ostracized by what books they choose to read?
I don't know, it looks like people can get mad over anything nowadays.
I wish you a good luck! ranpha003
¨ No.1184  >>1218
>>1181
>way too risk-aversive and I can't help but want as few things on the web as possible to be associated with my real name
Agreed. It is better to live this way... depending on your objectives.

What I'm realizing is that living in shadows can leave one stagnant.
Depending on how one plans to acquire resources and live out their dreams, of course.

How do you fend off the feeling of stagnation by staying in the shadows?


Better framed as: do you desire to be an adventurer–if so, to where and what? To have an adventure–to be further engaged and possibly transformed–the adventurer has to take on and fend off the risks involved.

¨ No.1189  >>1193, >>1219
Sometimes I can real relate to the stress of instant messaging, but more often than not I just watch people in group chats communicate to wasting time.
I've heard of some office workers even having spare phones to avoid out-of-hours company messages.
maybe I'll do the same when I become a 社畜
¨ No.1193  >>1228
>>1189
>watch people in group chats communicate to wasting time
What do you find amusing about observing these groups chats? Though it seems to be a 5 minute activity at best.
If it only does take up five minutes of you time, then that doesn't need an explanation.
Just something to do.


Conversations that are meant to waste time...
Sounds boring (to me), especially for IM.
Though I suppose one could find investment in the cast of characters.

¨ No.1218  >>1226
>>1184
>How do you fend off the feeling of stagnation by staying in the shadows?
>Better framed as: do you desire to be an adventurer
I feel like I'm involuntarily an adventurer thrown in this cruel world and I'm losing the shadows I can hide in as I get older.
But you are right and I know one needs to take risks to move forward.

>Depending on how one plans to acquire resources and live out their dreams
So your dream is related to books?
¨ No.1219  >>1228
>>1189
>I just watch people in group chats communicate to wasting time
Are the group chats for people who share the same interests or hobbies?

>I've heard of some office workers even having spare phones to avoid out-of-hours company messages.
>maybe I'll do the same when I become a 社畜
Are you going to attend office parties after work or on holidays when you become a 社畜?
¨ No.1226  >>1262
>>1218
>involuntarily an adventurer thrown in this cruel world and I'm losing the shadows I can hide in as I get older
Existence is strange.
And shadows are comforting, making you forget you exist.
Perhaps the trick is to become the shadow, instead of hide in it.
That's an adventure, if meditation is adventuring.


>So your dream is related to books?
No, though I see why you would think that as writing a blog could help toward stuff about books.

If there was a dream, I suppose it'd be a combination of pure-existence and living within Nature's terms.
How satisfying would it be to build a stone bridge?
That sort of thing.

Even though existence is already strange, what's stranger is how "unreal" most of modern existence is.
There's rarely anything tangible anymore.
We exchange words and images and memes but there's just no reality to it.

It's almost like everyone is tapping out of physical reality.
And what I'm finding is... abandoning physical reality (where your consciousness resides) has dire consequences.
shamiko006
¨ No.1228  >>1258, >>1261
>>1193
>What do you find amusing about observing these groups chats?
I don't know, it's more of a habit, I take 5 minutes in the morning to read the message log and then look at it when I have nothing else to do during the day.

>>1219
>Are the group chats for people who share the same interests or hobbies?
True, but I've noticed that a lot of interest groups lose their original interest and start talking about other things after they've been around for too long (except for puzzle groups, where they always have new puzzles to work on).

>Are you going to attend office parties after work or on holidays when you become a 社畜?
飲み会? I guess not, office parties in China are probably not as common as in Japan.
¨ No.1258
>>1228
It's no different than my imageboard escapades, I admit

¨ No.1261  >>1274
>>1228
>I've noticed that a lot of interest groups lose their original interest
Do you still enjoy reading group chats after they are derailed?

>except for puzzle group
I guess such chat groups have many members and don't only consist of irl acquaintances.
How do you discover such groups?

>office parties in China are probably not as common as in Japan.
I think they are not as popular in Japan anymore as they were before the pandemic.
¨ No.1262  >>1270
>>1226
>There's rarely anything tangible anymore.
I guess that's better than 80s/90s materialism as far as I know
Irl activities are essential for mental health though
¨ No.1270  >>1285
>>1262
Luckily we have parks to walk in

¨ No.1274  >>1284, >>1286
>>1261
>Do you still enjoy reading group chats after they are derailed?
Not so often anymore. I may mute them, but I always want to see the friends I've made.


>How do you discover such groups?
Various, mostly through social media promotion and to a lesser extent friend referrals.
Many platforms prohibit the promotion of chat groups because of user deflection, so many groups choose to promote using cryptography.

¨ No.1284  >>1298
>>1274
>I always want to see the friends I've made.
Recently I learned there are chat services called QQ群 and QQ频道.
If I understand correctly, a QQ频道 chat group can have a hundred thousand members at most.
Is any of chat groups you belong to that massive?

>many groups choose to promote using cryptography
I guess that's one of the reasons why puzzle chat groups are popular there
¨ No.1285  >>1287
>>1270
>Luckily we have parks to walk in
Yeah but I will hibernate at home in winter
It's not very cold here yet but the weather demotivates me day by day from going outside
Are you enjoying biking now the same way you did in summer?
¨ No.1286  >>1298
>>1274
>using cryptography
Like the puzzles you shared? I would be curious of an example.
¨ No.1287  >>1326
>>1285
>hibernate at home in winter
What do you usually do during hibernation?
>the weather demotivates me day by day from going outside
When it gets too cold, does going outside become uncomfortable?
I thought one eventually adapts to the colder climate.
>Are you enjoying biking now the same way you did in summer?
I've sorta got tired of biking around the same suburban blocks for the most part.
In terms of how the weather is though, yeah, one could easily go for a bike ride right now without being inconvenienced by cold winds.
¨ No.1298  >>1327, >>1335
>>1284
>Is any of chat groups you belong to that massive?
No, I don't join chat groups where there are a lot of people. Overwhelming information gives me a headache.
I've had a look at QQ频道 and it shows a large number of groups, mostly with popular gaming topics(LoL, Genshin...), not my cup of tea.

>I guess that's one of the reasons why puzzle chat groups are popular there
It's not really that popular. It's just a hobby of mine.

>>1286
>Like the puzzles you shared? I would be curious of an example.
It's just quite simplified encryption, converting Arabic numbers into Chinese numbers or something.
¨ No.1326
>>1287
>What do you usually do during hibernation?
I don't know
I try to go out as few times as possible and try to do something productive or constructive I can do at home......like learning foreign languages?
What do you do at home when you can't go out due to a heavy rain or something?

>I thought one eventually adapts to the colder climate.
Yeah some people don't care if it's cold or hot outside, I wish I were like that
Too much coldness makes me feel sick or upset my stomach shamiko006

>I've sorta got tired of biking around the same suburban blocks for the most part.
That's why I love to focus on nature. It changes day by day!
¨ No.1327  >>1335, >>1357
>>1298
>Overwhelming information gives me a headache
Yeah I've taken a peep of a huge Discord server once and it was a mess

>It's not really that popular. It's just a hobby of mine
I thought puzzle hunts were popular nationwide

Speaking of popular activities, I happened to see a Japanese tv news program and it said camping is trending in China
¨ No.1335  >>1336, >>1358
>>969
It's hard to not have instant messaging apps for me, since well... My mom, dad and everyone around me uses it, and the entire society uses it; so I can't do nothing about it.

But, recently I got myself into imageboards and small communities online, and they're simply the best ones. The concept of community of the early internet is still alive in these websites, like this one. Here, I can be myself and express myself with chill people. It's like looking through a window after a long time on the darkness.

The problem for me isn't instant messaging. The problem is social media, where people attack each other for reasons and problems that normally only exist on the internet.

Imageboards in general, everyone is kinda equal. In social media, people oftenly attack each other for appearance, tastes, followers, and etcetera.

People normally get so attached to their online personas, that they REFUSE to change their opinion online, simply because the people that follow them isn't going to like if they change their opinion. I saw more deeper debates on imageboards than in any place of X/twitter, facebook and etcetera. And I don't like debates.

Not only, there is a constant persecution for attention (likes and followers), and things has been worsening since social media started paying people to post; now there is accounts causing discussion on purpose.

And I am not going to mention A.I. This thing will kill the internet. So for me, stepping away from social media for a while has been the best thing I've ever done for my sanity sake.

i kinda fled from the topic. Sorrrrry. ranpha003

>>1298
> Overwhelming information gives me a headache.
>>1327
> Yeah I've taken a peep of a huge Discord server once and it was a mess.

The problem with big discord servers for me is that there isn't a specific topic going on. You can even have 10 people talking at the same time, but normally one person will be answering only one, two, or three people. The thing is that there isn't, normally, only one specific topic going on the same chat; so it's hard to enter in the conversation. It's simply too chaotic for me.

And it's worse when the server has an established clique. Some don't even send a welcome, and even ignore new members.
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>>1335
Are you sure about that?
¨ No.1357  >>1359
>>1327
>camping is trending in China
I think that was a year ago, and now people are more into City Walk and Special Forces style tourism.
but I guess it'll be trend again when Yuru Camp Season 3 airs next year.
¨ No.1358
>>1335
I couldn't agree more with you
It is pretty much impossible to enjoy honest conversations with online personas
¨ No.1359  >>1392
>>1357
>Special Forces style tourism
I've never heard of that! Have you ever done that?

>but I guess it'll be trend again when Yuru Camp Season 3 airs next year.
Is Yuru Camp popular in China? I was wondering what made camping popular there
¨ No.1392  >>1415
>>1359
>Have you ever done that?
No...Just city walk has already exhausted me! konata002

>Is Yuru Camp popular in China? I was wondering what made camping popular there
I think camping is popular partly because of Yuru Camp,but most of all because of lockdown.
after the pandemic people needed fresh air, and Yuru Camp inspired people what to do.
¨ No.1415  >>1446
>>1392
>No...Just city walk has already exhausted me!
Did you enjoy something while walking in a city?

>most of all because of lockdown.
That makes sense!

There must be many campgrounds in China that have magnificent views
I searched for campgrounds in China and I found some pictures of people camping next to cows.
I don't know if it's common but it's cool and adorable
¨ No.1446  >>1535
>>1415
>Did you enjoy something while walking in a city?
Well, I love the different eras of architecture in the walk.
I am also interested in urban exploration(only in the video). It makes me feel nostalgic.
¨ No.1535  >>1542
>>1446
>Well, I love the different eras of architecture in the walk.
I heard walking down a street you've never walked before can improve your brain health!
The mixture of buildings from different eras in China is so cyberpunk
Can you guess in which era the buildings were built?

>I am also interested in urban exploration(only in the video). It makes me feel nostalgic.
Are there your favorite cities to watch? Most cities on Earth seem to have their walking tour videos nowadays
¨ No.1542
>>1535
>The mixture of buildings from different eras in China is so cyberpunk
Talk about cyberpunk, Chongqing is definitely gets mentioned, the train going through the buildings must have been quite a sight.

>Can you guess in which era the buildings were built?
Partly. I tried to study architectural history, but it's too hard.
Not to mention all the imitation ancient architectures all around me
But I've been playing geogussr for a while and I've learned some tricks. It's much more likely to be able to tell what areas a building is in.

>Are there your favorite cities to watch? Most cities on Earth seem to have their walking tour videos nowadays
I can't decide. Many cities have given me enjoyment
I also like a another way of exploring a city, I follow a vlogger on bilibili(巡游轨迹) who chooses to visit a city by travelling randomly, which makes the journey full of surprises!

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